Posts by Juan Viejo2

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New DVD "Become Jehovah's Friend"

by treadnh2o in

hey peeps,.

it's been a long while since i've posted (i am completely out - wife and kids still in) but thought you might this interesting.. they came home from the district convention yesterday with the new dvd intended for kids.

they popped it in right away and this is what happens:.

Juan Viejo2

Never mind. My bad.

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Downloadable leaflet "Highlights From The Finished Mystery"

by cedars in

i've just finished my fourth and final "under the microscope" series of articles in which (hopefully) i've debunked many of the arguments often put forward by those claiming that jehovah's witnesses must be god's sole channel of communication with mankind.. this latest article focusses mostly on "the finished mystery" and the many errors contained therein that prove it couldn't possibly have been approved by christ when he was ostenisbly selecting the bible students as his chosen earthly representatives in 1919. i would like to thank and acknowledge alfred as being a huge help in compiling a list of key "highlights" of the book that serve to expose it for what it really is - a total work of fiction and absurdity.. shortly before alfred left this forum, we discussed the possibility of using his list to produce a special leaflet that people could print out themselves and insert in their "revelation climax" books, or "revelation climax" books belonging to family members.

i'm delighted to announce (with my best sunday afternoon convention speaker voice!

) that this leaflet is now ready, and available for download on the links below:.

Juan Viejo2

Oh mein Gott! Ach du lieber!

I just noticed that both Cedars and processor have swastika looking IP identifiers. Could this be significant? Are they both agents of Satan? I don't know, but they are talking about translating the flyer into German and Hitler spoke German. Could there be a connection?

Maybe those are just pinwheels...

Never mind.

JV

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So you think you were a True Witness?

by FaithfulBrother in

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fuck you.. i was raised in a jw family in the 1980's-1990's where we had to do the daily text 7 days a week during breakfast at the family table at 7am sharp between 7:00-7:15am.

this was followed by a "spiritual discussion," which was held every morning between 7:15am and 8:00am.. since we were homeschooled, our weekly field service was required from childhood on friday mornings immediately following the spiritual discussion, followed by saturday afternoon field service after the bookstudy, as well as sunday afternoon field service after the watchtower study.. i was also required to read each watchtower and awake magazine and give oral reports about each magazine i read in order for my father to be sure that i had actually read them.

i can't remember for sure, but i think each watchtower and awake was released every two weeks back then, making a new magazine to read every single week, followed by an oral report on every single article (including the watchtower study articles which i also had to read, then study in our weekly family watchtower study where we marked our answers, then studied again at the sunday watchtower study).. in addition to this, we also had a weekly family bible study at night each week, had a family bookstudy at night in which we marked our answers for the saturday morning bookstudy, had a family watchtower study at night where we marked our answers for the sunday morning watchtower study, had a family prayer together every night before bed, every morning before and after breakfast and every night before and after dinner (not including our half-family prayers for lunch by my mother since we were homeschooled.).

Juan Viejo2

Faithful Brother:

My childhood was structured very much like yours and had a very similar level of commitment. At the same time, I have to admit it wasn't quite as severe as yours. The rules were a little different back in the 1950s-60s. But, just as it is now, Armageddon was just around the corner in 1953 and 1958 - at least that's what Bros. Knorr and Franz told us at the big New York International Conventions. And we believed them. Yes, we did...

http://insidethewatchtower.com/history/field-service-then-and-now/

The first thing you need to do is get some serious medical treatment for your depression and dependence on alcohol.

Forget about the JWs and the Watchtower. They had nothing for you then and they have even less for you now. Stay as far away from them as you can get and concentrate only on your health. Limit your exposure to any of their poison.

I never expected to see the age of 30 when I left the Organization in the mid-1960s. Now I'm just a few months short of 70 and know without a doubt that there will be no "Armageddon" in my lifetime - or during my grandchildren's lifetimes. Mt. Hood may blow its top, or a great Pacific Rim earthquake may come and take my life - but I know that it won't be "Armageddon."

I live every day with the singular joy of knowing that I am a critic - not a member - of the Watchtower cult and that none of my children or grandchildren are connected in any way to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Because I left the Witnesses in the mid-1960s all of my descendants are not and will not be Jehovah's Witnesses. They all live happy, financially secure, and healthy lives. I can only imagine the damage that could have been done to them if I had given in to my JW wife's demands that I repent and return to the "Truth."

You were fortunate that you never allowed yourself to be baptized. Those of us who were raised by "true believer" JW parents like I was - and my childhood friend, author Dick Kelly (Growing up in Mama's Club and Ghosts of Mama's Club) - know what it was like having to go to school, work a job, go to meetings three nights a week, and put in 10-20 "real" hours of door-to-door service each month.

But we survived once we got out. We have healthy, sane, and interesting lives - doing what we want to do, no longer bound to a boring existence as slaves of the "The Slave." TM

JV

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2012 Convention Releases

by garlic81 in

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post 51 of 52. since 3/27/2009.

google_ad_section_start i can't verify the authenticity of this information as i have not personally attended.

however this is what is posted on another site.. friday:.

Juan Viejo2

Wonderment wrote:

Slimboyfat said: "Do they have anyone who is capable of revising the NWT?"
If they feel there is a need for updating their translation, they WILL find someone capable of revising the NWT, even if they had to pay an outsider to do it. We would never get to know the intimate details of any of their projects.

The original version of the New World Translation (1950-1960) was not really translated, but rather rewritten in [then] modern day American English. Fred Franz did most of the "translating" and then the translation committee voted on suggestions and changes. Franz approved or rejected their suggestions. Nathan Knorr, as president, signed off on the final version based on Franz's assurances that everything was a accurate as possible.

Recent updates to the NWT have mostly involved correcting some of Franz's tongue-tying sentence structure and to update some verses to conform with current WT "new light" teachings.

Any college level English major could re-edit the NWT in a way that would make it far more readable using 21st century English. In fact, there are several excellent automated editing programs that could correct Franz's awkward phraseology (From "Jehovah, he himself will..." to "Jehovah will..."). I always found reading the earlier versions of the NWT to be exhausting and lacking style.

You can still see Franz's influence clearly in many of the magazine article titles, the yearly scripture phrases (posted on the stage of the Kingdom Halls), and the theme names for the various conventions.

JV

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Jehovah's Witnesses And The Paranormal

by Cold Steel in

i understand that the jehovah's witnesses are paranoid when it comes to the paranormal.. how far do the roots of this paranoia go?

has anyone ever had any personal paranormal experiences or know of anyone who has (first hand)?.

and what are some of the more popular stories that get retold in jw circles?.

Juan Viejo2

blond-moment (danmera) - You have a PM

JV

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MENLO PARK KINGDOM HALL SHOWDOWN, REVEALS "IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY STUPID!"

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

sexual harrassment suits were running wild in american businesses throughout the 1990s, the end result was "sensitivity training" and forcing mangers to sign contracts that revealed "we understand sexual harrassment is bad!

if i touch a girl, i get sued and the company is free!".

elder's are now trained to handle every situation that can possibly come up, if a lawsuit emerges, the elders are sued and the watchtower, at their discretion can defend their elders if they feel it is to their best interest.

Juan Viejo2

Bubblegum A -

I'm glad that my efforts have encouraged you to make a decision to find your way out of the Borg.

One caution: You must remember that the Menlo Park articles have proven that the Watchtower is no different than any other so-called Christian churches that mislead and fleece their flocks. So don't be too quick about jumping into other "Christian" faiths, even those that actually do good works with their money on behalf of the poor, the sick, and the forgotten among us. Feel free to donate your time and even your money, but don't give them your soul.

Every week I get emails that thank me for the work I do with my websites Ex-JW.com and InsidetheWatchtower.com. Many of these writers tell me that something I've published by one of my many contributors (many JWN members), or one of my own stories I've shared about growing up as a JW, finally opened their eyes to the truth about the Watchtower. Many have told me that they've decided to leave - or will at least take a hard second look at their JW lives and beliefs. The fact that something I published may have helped these people break free brings me great joy.

Unfortunately, too many of these emails also indicate that the writers have "found the true Jesus," or they've "finally been born again in the Holy Spirit," or someother clue that they have may have transferred control of their free will from one false religion (WT) to another (any one of hundreds).

That possibility breaks my heart. Here I am hoping that these newly freed Witnesses will get out in the world and enjoy their freedom and take time to explore all the choices and life experiences ahead of them - only to find that so many can't do that. They simply can't break the chains. They think they have to be under the control of some religious organization or else they can't find personal fulfillment.

It's never been my goal to have my JW readers leave their Kingdom Hall behind - only to move over to some wacko Independent Baptist church or the "St. Ignatius the Holy Beekeeper" Catholic Church. That's not freedom. That's just moving from one prison to another.

So please, Bubblegum A, continue to do your charitable good works. At the same time, don't lock yourself in to another controlling religion. Give yourself some time for research, introspection, and an opportunity to enjoy life on your own terms.

JV

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MENLO PARK KINGDOM HALL SHOWDOWN, REVEALS "IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY STUPID!"

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

sexual harrassment suits were running wild in american businesses throughout the 1990s, the end result was "sensitivity training" and forcing mangers to sign contracts that revealed "we understand sexual harrassment is bad!

if i touch a girl, i get sued and the company is free!".

elder's are now trained to handle every situation that can possibly come up, if a lawsuit emerges, the elders are sued and the watchtower, at their discretion can defend their elders if they feel it is to their best interest.

Juan Viejo2

Moshe - that type of miracle barely registers a tick on the WTF Miracle Scale TM.

The Watchtower has much to learn from the professionals...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7e9vnwTjJA&feature=fvst

JV

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Watchtower admits, "We are like the Catholic Church"

by Juan Viejo2 in

calvin rouse describes himself as "general counsel for the national organization of jehovah's witnesses out of brooklyn, new york.".

while representing one of the defendants during a trial held in san mateo county court in redwood city, california, on february 22, 2012, rouse made this amazing statement:.

"ordinarily, i wouldn't be here, but this is one our 13,000 congregations in the united states.

Juan Viejo2

Moshe - isn't that Ted Jaracz (on the pope's right) reincarnated as a Catholic priest? Whooda thunk it...

JV

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Watchtower admits, "We are like the Catholic Church"

by Juan Viejo2 in

calvin rouse describes himself as "general counsel for the national organization of jehovah's witnesses out of brooklyn, new york.".

while representing one of the defendants during a trial held in san mateo county court in redwood city, california, on february 22, 2012, rouse made this amazing statement:.

"ordinarily, i wouldn't be here, but this is one our 13,000 congregations in the united states.

Juan Viejo2

00DAD-

RayPublsher used pages from the original transcripts that can be found on the original article at Ex-JW.com.

BTW - a good friend of Ex-JW.com, a reader from Germany, has reconstituted the file and reduced the size down to less than 3Mb. I'll be putting a link to that version and to the missing page 85 on the article later today (Saturday, May 12). That will make it easier for some of you to download it and share with friends.

One last note: My contact in Menlo Park has just informed me that the new federal case is being moved back to San Francisco from San Jose, CA. Apparently none of the judges in San Jose want to deal with the case. More on this later.

JV

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Watchtower admits, "We are like the Catholic Church"

by Juan Viejo2 in

calvin rouse describes himself as "general counsel for the national organization of jehovah's witnesses out of brooklyn, new york.".

while representing one of the defendants during a trial held in san mateo county court in redwood city, california, on february 22, 2012, rouse made this amazing statement:.

"ordinarily, i wouldn't be here, but this is one our 13,000 congregations in the united states.

Juan Viejo2

Thanks, RayPublisher for that graphic. Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?

JV